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Do you think a border wall improves security, reduces illegal immigration?

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Discussion started by Tok Staff:
There is some evidence that a border wall can prevent illegal entry, but does that mean that Trump is right or does it have other costs?
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Results in this view: Y-essential 29% - Y-not Worth It 10% - Convince Me 10% - N-better Options 52%
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By Andrew Herzman Why do we want to reduce immigration at all???
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By Mark Tracey Why do you have doors with locks on your house?
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By Andrew Herzman My house isn't a country, you idiot.
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By Mark Tracey Disagreeing with your opinion doesn’t make me or anyone else an idiot , but may reflect your intolerance of diverse thought.
Walls are everywhere and a function of human existence. They are around homes, businesses, sometimes in the form of fences and locked doors, certain publicly owned property and are designed to keep out those who won’t respect our laws and property rights.
You also fail to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. There is no reason to burden our county with foreign criminals or those who wish to subvert our way of life. I am in favor of legal immigration and more of it, under the conditions that those entering are registered and vetted and the numbers allowed don’t have a significant negative impact on the economy or the lives of US citizens.
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By Andrew Herzman Making an analogy that isn't relevant makes you an idiot.

As far a what legal immigration is: Your relatives might have lied to officials in order to get in this country which is illegal. It was quite common for people to lie about their names, or that they had employment waiting or even that they weren't sick, when they indeed were. The chances of YOU being illegal is significant!
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By Mark Tracey I don’t consider all immigrants to be liars and outliers. The majority are honest. But I find it amazing that you believe that are the majority of liars and cheats and still defend their illegal entry into the US.
As for my family, my maternal Grandfather came in legally from Spain sponsored by my Grandfathers brother, who had entered legally several years previously. My Grandmother moved from Spain to Cuba, became a Cuban citizen and then entered to the US legally from Cuba a year later. I have no history of fathers relatives or history, only that they came from the Netherlands.
When you call people idiots, show that you have no good argument to defend your position so your resort to name calling.
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By Andrew Herzman It's not name calling if it's an accurate description.

You have no proof that your relatives didn't lie to officials. You yourself may be illegal.
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By Andrew Herzman "I find it amazing that you believe that are the majority of liars and cheats and still defend their illegal entry into the US."

LOL!!!! I have to assume you defend the Europeans' entry into America, since 1492 without the native American's permission.

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By William Dykeman who is he talking abut my grandfather was an honest man! he never lied, almost never he was never even near that beer hall puscht
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By William Dykeman my grandparents were imigrants and you sire were not fit to clean their toilet you be very ca=reful what you say about my people, i sont cae what the law says you insult my tribe and there wil be coseequnces as a matter of honor
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By Mark Tracey How about you?
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By Andrew Herzman I never claimed I was legal.
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By Mark Tracey If you were born in the US your legal.
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By Andrew Herzman "you're", not "your".
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By Mark Tracey Thank you for the correction.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Andy calls everyone that disagrees with his enlightened view idiot. He does not know how to argue civilly with the free exchange of ideas, by espousing sound counter arguments to others. He does no play well with others.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Point proven.
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By Sheferaw Tlahun love it your enemy and should understand their cultural different, for me, if enemy plan to attack 100% you.closing border is solution? that is wasting of money.
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By Mark Tracey We could just open the borders and let them roll in and take over, then we all lose.
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By Andrew Herzman They don’t lose. Idiot
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By Mark Tracey I’m not interested in turning the country over to those who would destroy it.
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By Andrew Herzman LOL...What do you think Trump is doing by handing it over to Putin? Trump wants to take us out of NATO (Putin's wet dream) while Putin is selling off his dollar reserves in favor of Chinese and European currency.

You care about terrorists at the border, while Trump shuts down the government so the TSA at the airports isn't getting funded! How stupid can you get?
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By Mark Tracey Just saw in Bloomberg,
“Russia is not doing this (selling off dollars) entirely by choice; dollar-denominated assets are still the most liquid. Rather, the Kremlin fears that U.S. sanctions may end up freezing a significant portion of the country’s international reserves.”
This does not read like it’s a kiss to Putin, but rather a big stick Putin’s running from.
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By Mark Tracey What has Trump handed to Putin?
Maybe Putin knows his dollar are no good here, causing his sell-off. After all, the dollar is only backed by trillions in debt accumulated by our irresponsible leaders of both parties when in power.
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By Andrew Herzman We don’t know since Trump destroyed all the evidence from his meetings with Putin. hmmmm.
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By James Warren maybe not Andrew but we know how jezebel destroyed emails .....hammer remember? maybe Trump used a hammer ??
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By William Dykeman you do realize that clinton is history
you drag her up in a futile attemot to deflect from your gangster p%mp traitor in the whwite house who told cohen to lie to congress
arrest hitlery i dont care
i hate her as bad as trump for her neoliberal cheat of the comrade bern
who cares about hillary? are you a retard?
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By Andrew Herzman Trump supporters' comeback for every bad thing Trump does:
"...but Hillary"!!!!
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By James Warren Will that has been proven FAKE news now...wake up and smell the coffee....even Muley said it was fake...we all are tired of fake news lies and twisted stories. some of us want the truth ...some want a neon lie . this defies the heart of a person. put your mind in gear before you put your mouth in motion. ( in other words get the facts)
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By James Warren Andrew ever notice how they come up with lies on Trump? most of jezebels has been proven...the part that hasnt looks obvious. the TRUTH still matters to some of us .
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By Andrew Herzman What lies about Trump? Name one!
You make up fake names and you claim the truth matters to you???
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By William Dykeman and that is so sad, who even cares about that old witch?
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By William Dykeman no it hasnt been proven at all
where is your proof?
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By James Warren ILLEGAL !! ILLEGAL ...CRIMINALS ..LAW BREAKERS. i break a law i go to jail...i think we ALL should play that game.
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By Andrew Herzman The average citizen commits 3 felonies per day.
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By William Dykeman curious which felonies would that be?
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By Andrew Herzman Look up the book "3 felonies per day".
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By William Dykeman " could be turned into a federal crime by an enterprising or overreaching prosecutor. "

could be
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By William Dykeman illega iens are actually more law abiding than citizens that a fact
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By James Warren how many can stay at your house Will?? with you and your family?
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By William Dykeman i am from an immigrant family and we take care of our own.. thats the way it works.. most immigrants take care of themselves better than you lazy inbreds.. we work harder are more ambitious and produce more.. move over because we are taking over.. what am i saying .. lol we already have
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By William Dykeman they are perefectly capaible of fending for thesmevles
when we came here my uncle has to dign a papersaying if anything went wrong he would care for my gradfather and his sister, families take care of each other.. we were immigrants.. when we came here no one took care of us .. but each other
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By William Dykeman it should be preferable that immigration be legal, a bit more fair to the people who folow the rules illegals tend to be uneducated vermin.. legals tend to have skills and be well behaved
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By James Warren will guess what day it is?? its monday off to the races huh.....bet you are winning already huh?
so silly ....anyway i understand now Trump may be deporting immigrants as the law said he should . if you are here illegally you are a criminal. already took over lol what a laugh where mexico?? because they not getting in here....Trump is about had it with illegals last hope pelosi....martial law is coming ....
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By William Dykeman yesterday i saw a video of refugees digging under one of those metal sheet fence/wall things and they headed strait for immigration to apply for refugee status the dug under the wall , do you have any idea how many drug tunnels already exist???? do you? martial law? seriously? lol i almost hope you are right be careful what you wish for... you know there is a deep state, i know there is..and they will bee declaring martial law not trump.. be very careful what you wish for..because we will be coming for your guns.. and under martial law we wont need warrants and thee wont be any second amendment to pester us
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By Andrew Herzman THERE ARE PEOPLE ON HERE GETTING THEIR NEWS FROM INFO WARS.