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By Celeste Harrell How does this benefit the people of the United States, his children do not make up the entire population of the people he was elected to serve. This appears to be a conflict of interest. I think the American people need to step their game up.
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By Mike Hamlin It benefits the people in Africa, where their are problem animals, trampling homes and crops, killing children, don't forget the meat from the hunted animals go to feed the village, for some time.

The benefit to the US is that it puts us as a nation that cares about the poor of the world.
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By William Dykeman mike thats what i thought, do some research it actually doesnt thats why i switched votes
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By Mike Hamlin the benefit is my own opinion,

the rest I have researched, and that is what the local people say, not the anti-hunting people.
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By William Dykeman right your opinion is just that an opinion not a fact not a deterministic aspect of reality
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By William Dykeman try to be more objective i think you only see one side i actually view all sides, the info you look at is only the stuff you want to see,, those policies dont really benefit anyone
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By Mike Hamlin I take peoples side, we are more important that an elephant, or a minnow.
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By William Dykeman why? and btw no we are not
the elephant is probably smarter than most people
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By Mike Hamlin because villagers have no reason to lie about the destruction of crops, just bring the hunters to the fields. show the graves of people that have been killed. that is their reality. the hunter (with the blessing of the village and country) does them a real favor.
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By William Dykeman the hunts do little or nothing to remedy any of those problems
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By Mike Hamlin They teach animals that that area is not good, it rids the herd of problem animals.
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By William Dykeman mike you dont know what you are talking about
this is an endangered species 30 years ago there were 400 000 now there are less than 1000 do you understand you are hunting them into extinction by advocating this, what problem animals?! the only problem animal is man
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By Mike Hamlin So you would rather see children killed and starved to death??
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By William Dykeman straw man argument
i never said that
eco tourism has actually remedied many of the prblems you mention
WITHOUT killing the elephants
we dont have to choose it is a false choice
money can be raised and the elephants managed in a responsible way and the people can be cared and protected
there is no need to kill elephants
there is no need to sacrifice villagers
if one puts one mind to a problem
false dilemas fade away
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By Mike Hamlin These people don’t want to be an exibhit in your zoo, they want the animals gone so they can live thier lives.
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By William Dykeman um no they dont so you want to kill off an endangered species? you truly are a sick evil old man, what sort of christianity is that? i dont understand how a moral person can think like that, did god create elephants just so you can exterminate them? thou shalt not kill
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By Mike Hamlin “You have dominion over the earth, all the beasts of the field, birds of the air, creeping things and the fish in the see.”

They don’t care about your engagered species list, they just care about whether or not they will have a place to live with thier families.

In general the local people don’t kill an Animal for no reason, they would be willing to kill off a problem individual or individuals, to change the habits of the herd.
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By William Dykeman well they just got rid of mugabe that will help the poor more than some elephant hunt ever did, he killed more black people than the afrikaners or white rhodesia ever did mugabe, did more harm to backs in that region than apartheid ever did
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By Mike Hamlin corrupt governments and islam are a danger everwhere.
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By William Dykeman i absolutely despise islam i wll talk to you
i might not agree with your verson of chritianity and you can be quite stubborn
and wrong headed but you wont kill me for differing on religion or politics
islam want to kill us and conquer us
it must be utterly destroyed utterly wiped from the earth with fire and acid
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By Mike Hamlin But I will Pray fervently for you...
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By William Dykeman wont do you or me any good but hey its a free country knock yourself out.. peace
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By Mike Hamlin I have seen first hand the power of prayer...
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By William Dykeman you think you have
i know you are sincere
the power of belief is very strong
even when there is nothing to believe in
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By Mike Hamlin People getting up from their wheel chairs, people going in for surgery, only to find there is nothing there any more, having pain removed through nothing more than prayer, like I said first hand experience.
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By William Dykeman know what they were never paralyzed alot of that is fakery the rest is psychosomatic
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By Mike Hamlin Kind of hard to fake a stroke. And if this had been during the service, you could have a point, but this was afterward, the cameras turned off and of the 2000 people in the service only about 100 left.

It may have been in my mind that the pain in my hands had left, but it didn’t leave until I was prayed for. I can tell you the pain was definitely real, which I told NO ONE about.

Think what you want...
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By Ronald Nixon The only way to lead a good life is to pray to the American flag, STAND for the national anthem and OBEY Trump !
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By William Dykeman is that what you do? have you led a good life?
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By William Dykeman “To revolt is a natural tendency of life. Even a worm turns against the foot that crushes it. In general, the vitality and relative dignity of an animal can be measured by the intensity of its instinct to revolt.”
―Mikhail Bakunin
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By William Dykeman you can fake a stroke easy enough
most if not all these people are frauds the rest?
were never really sick in the first place OTHER THAN a mental problem
show me a limb that has grown back and i will go to church
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By Kevin Basner Praying to the American Flag is Idolatry and God hates idolatry among many other things! GET YOUR HEAD FIXED!
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By Dan Anderson Mike - what citation can you offer to prove your claim about how hunting elephants and endangered animals to be of benefit for people because of "those big bad mean animals" are trampling homes and crops, killing children, etc?
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By Mike Hamlin The history channel, National Geographic, as well as assorted articles.
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By Dan Anderson Mike - general claims does nothing. Please supply actual citation of your claims, please.
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By Mike Hamlin The Bible does tell us to be good stewards of the resources that God has given us. This includes ridding their herd of problem animals.
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By Mike Hamlin How to you fake s stroke to a Doctor.
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By Mike Hamlin You are talking more of survival than revolt. People and animals don’t revolt when thier needs are being met, only when they are not.

Look at Venezuela... they people weren’t revolting before socialism, not they are starving so they revolt.

You mentioned the worm. Was he revolting or trying to defend himself?
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By William Dykeman SAME THING
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By Mike Hamlin Not at all look at Berkeley, or Charlottesville, no ones survival was at stake, just people being stupid...
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By William Dykeman you do realize the nazis killed 6 million jews and started a war that killed 50 million people? 20 million soviets were killed fighting them last time, what the f&*^ do you mean no lives are at stake?!
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By Mike Hamlin How do you get from trophy hunting to the holocoust??

Or even 3 racist hate groups being pushed together...
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By William Dykeman easy this is tok
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By Mike Hamlin Oops 
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By William Dykeman hey mike you know how we roll, its all good 3:)
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By Mike Hamlin Ya don't hunt on the preserves.

you seem to think that Just because we are now allowed to bring Trophies back, that the countries will change their laws and policies....
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By William Dykeman the fact that the trophies can not be brought back into the country deters many from the escapade, whats the point of a "trophy" hunt if you cant bring home the trophy? think on that
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By Mike Hamlin Many hunters hunt for the anticipation and adrenaline rush, rather than the bringing home the head, that’s just the gravey, the same people now as with the removal of the restrictions, think the airlines are going to reduce prices, not likely...
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By Mike Hamlin No better than animals?? since when?? God created man in His own image and likeness... sounds pretty important to me...
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By William Dykeman so god is an over sexed lying ass hole? i dont think so.. made in his image? well he probably had a hangover that day then because if you ask me he really f*&kt up, look at me for example, i'm a big mess
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By Mike Hamlin There was one event that changed everything for us. We refer to it as the fall, when Adam sinned and was expelled from Eden.

We are all a big mess, that is why God sent Jesus for us.
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By William Dykeman a story from fiction
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By Mike Hamlin No, just Jesus.
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By William Dykeman Matthew 19:21 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
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By Mike Hamlin Jesus answered what??
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By William Dykeman how do i get to the kingdom of heaven come on Matthew 19:21 do i have to teach you the bible? i'm the godless one remember?
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By William Dykeman Luke 18:18 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"