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By David Ivester If any other POTUS had done the things Donald Trump has done, illegal, against the Constitution, mislead/lied to Americans, obstructed Congress, etc. they would have already been Impeached. Seriously, Clinton was impeached for lying about a BJ. By comparison, Clinton was a choir boy.

The disruption to American progress has been immense over the last 2.5+ years. He is incredibly divisive and demonizes innocent human beings. How can any American be okay with him abandoning our allies and building subservient relationships with Russian, North Korean, and Saudia Arabian dictators? America bows to no one.

Finally, if he is truly as successful as he would have us believe, and has done nothing wrong, why won't he voluntarily release his tax returns, and what else is he hiding?
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By Chris Robinette Barry Soetoro lied about being born in Hawaii in when he was actually born in Kenya in1960.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Says who, Chris? Was it Sean "Never smoked a joint in his life" Hannitty, perhaps?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Sean 'never smoked a joint, but went to prostitutes' Hackity, you mean.
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By Dan Anderson Citation for your claim, Chris. If that were the case, the Honolulu newspaper would not have printed his birth announcement.
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By David Ivester What does that debunked conspiracy theory have to do with impeaching Donald Trump for his crimes against America? If anything, DT's insistence that Obama was not born in the US, just like his crusade to have the Central Park Five convicted for a crime they did not do, is another example of racism and bigotry. Give it a rest.
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By Chris Robinette KENYA: AUTHORITIES RELEASE BARACK OBAMA’S “REAL” BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Nairobi | The Office of the Principal Register of the Nyanza Province, in Kenya, has finally released 11 exclusive documents concerning Barack Obama’s alleged birth and early childhood in the country.
These official papers had been requested for years by the Tea Party Patriots, an American conservative organization, to no avail, but the Kenyan Supreme Court recently ordered authorities to release the documents, based on a law on “access to information.
These files, if they turn out to be verifiable, could mean that Mr. Obama had no legal right to become the American president under the country’s law.
The papers released today suggest that Barack Obama was actually born on March 7, 1960, in Lamu, Kenya, more than a year before his father moved to Hawaii, where he allegedly met his mother.
This contradicts most of the documents presented by the presidential office over the last years, suggesting that either the American or the Kenyan papers are actually faked.
The official version of Barack Obama’s birth presented by the White House in the past was that he was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital (now called the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children) in Honolulu, Hawaii.
His parents were Ann Dunham, from Wichita, Kansas, and Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo in the Nyanza Province, in what was then the “Colony and Protectorate of Kenya”.
Mr. Obama Senior was attending the University of Hawaii at the time, where he supposedly met Ms. Dunham.
A Kenyan publication, The Standard, had reported in 2004 that Obama was “Kenyan-Born”, but the lack of proof presented had led the rest of the mediatic world to dismiss the article has fake or unfounded.
Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online may have sparked further speculation on June 9, 2008, when he asked Obama to release his birth certificate.
Geraghty wrote that doing so could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet.
Such rumors were very numerous at the time, covering many topics.
These included namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him “Barry” rather than “Barack”; and that Barack Obama, Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born Citizen.
Mr. Obama and the White House had given no answer whatsoever to that request, choosing to simply ignore the question, but had finally released some documents that were allegedly Mr. Obama’s birth certificate in two different forms.
The release of these certificates had seemed to put an end to the rumors at the time, but it is to be expected that the “Kenyan documents” will fuel a whole new wave of rumors and conspiracy theories.

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By David Ivester Answered. Move on.
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By Chris Robinette Not been answered as this is recent news and document releases.
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By David Ivester "World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction."
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By Dan Anderson Chris - do you not know how to give citations? What you did was type what someone may have typed or said.

At least Mr. Obama submitted his Birth Certificate. Adam Henry/Mr. Cheeto said he would release his income taxes, yet where is he on those at this point in time? Attempting to appeal to the Supreme Court to have the request for them blocked?
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By Chris Robinette Did Obama submit his true birth Certificate? Too many have stated it was fabricated and site proof. Answer that.
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By Dan Anderson Chris - Did they give you a citation for their claims, though?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/birth-certificate/

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/18503640/barack_obama_birth_announcement/

Now, can you come up with any legitimate sources to prove otherwise?
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By David Ivester Give me a break. Have you seen any other president's birth certificate? Or do you just need to see a birth certificate if the president is something other than white? This is bs conspiracy theory nonsense perpetrated by Donald Trump. I suppose it must be a race related thing. Just like the Central Park Five. How do you know Trump was born in the USA? The man won't even voluntarily share his income tax returns. I wonder what he is hiding.
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By Chris Robinette Let's say that this will not be put to rest till the truth come out.
The Cold Case Posse advised Arpaio that they believed forgers committed two crimes. First, they said it appeared the White House fraudulently created a forgery that it characterized as an officially produced governmental birth record. Second, the White House fraudulently presented to the residents of Maricopa County and to the American public at large a forgery represented as "proof positive" of President Obama's authentic 1961 Hawaii long-form birth certificate.
Among the evidence released at a 2012 press conference are the following five videos, which demonstrate why the Obama long-form birth certificate is suspected to be a computer-generated forgery.
Videos connected to the investigation:
1. Introduction – Regular Scan:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID_KfcmG9gs
2. Layers, Stamp & Noisehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S40WKxKSlHc
3. OCR Theoryhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qDzMYWTjds
4. Optimizationhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQUGwEZ-xDo
5. Conclusionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgTZUVpb3dk
6. Selective Servicehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHAM3hRI8_Y
7https://newspunch.com/obama-kenyan-birth-certificate/
View the entire news conference of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's "Cold Case Posse":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yerPzQ4doyU
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By David Ivester Nutcases, like Arpaio (a criminal) will jump all over conspiracy theories to validate their hate for people of a different race, sexuality, religion, political party, etc.

It is time to educate all Americans to the fact that we are all different. What you have, your level of education, saying you are a Christian, telling people you are a "stable genius" or any other stated quality without living a life of example, DO NOT make you a better person. They do not mean anything without contributing positive actions, compassion, and respect for others. Don't tell me. Show me.
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By Chris Robinette Spoken like a true racist, lying, hateful, KKK, ANTIFA supporting, closed minded worthless sack of protoplasm.
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By David Ivester Really? Actually, I do support anti-fascism. But, where do you get the rest of your crap?
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By Chris Robinette See you at the next war and please keep your head up.
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By David Ivester Grow up.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Not a Trump fan at all, but most POTUses, including the three before Trump have committed impeachable offenses.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - again, evidence with citation, please. What high crimes and misdemeanors have they committed? Yes, Mr. Clinton lied to a congressional investigation. That was the ONLY crime of which I am aware. If you have anything else, please post it, again with citation, not just your usual claims.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris A High crime or misdemeanor can be any action that violates the Constitution. The House decides what they are. I and others would say when any POTUS oversteps his his presidential power it is impeachable.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Most modern, and some past POTUSes have done this. Most Modern with EOs.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Again, please give specific examples and stop using the infamous broad brush.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris One such example is Obama’s unilateral writing of immigration law. It is quite clear that Congress has the power to write immigration law, but Obama decided that since Congress wouldn’t act (and by that, he meant to do exactly what he wanted) he'd simply create a law with his executive pen.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Again, any citation for this claim of yours?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris You know you don't need a citation for everything. Some things are just 'in the news'. This was a huge story. It is like like asking me for a citation for the House having Trump impeachment inquiries.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I generally make statements and give examples, then tell people to do their own research, especially when it is a big news story, especially since many will ONLY accept some sources without claiming bias or fake news.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris But I will break my rule. Here is one source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/19/your-complete-guide-to-obamas-immigration-order/
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Yet, when you offer something which is NOT in the news currently, as you are making the positive claim, I am questioning the validity. Now, if you want to be taken as just someone who loves rumors and you do not care if anyone cares about your reality, that is fine.
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By Dan Anderson So, how is this action either a high crime or a misdemeanor? What obstruction, for example, is happening?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Sir, nonsense. You can search on Google. Most things I mention have been major news. I can describe it, then they can look it up. I don't always have time to look all this stuff up and place it here in a presented form.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I look up things people claim all the time, and IF I can not find it, then I ask them to prove it. Unless I don't have time, then I will ask them to post it.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris For impeachment purposes you don't have to commit obstruction. A high crime or misdemeanor can be defined as anything the House wants. It doesn't even have to be an actual crime defined by law.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris The high crime or misdemeanor could be bringing shame on the office of the presidency. When you violate the authority the Constitution gives your office then you violate the Constitution which is a high crime or misdemeanor for the purposes of impeachment.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris The whole take away is, the Clinton impeachment circus was a sham by partisans to take him out, AND the Trump impeachment circus is a sham by partisans to take him out. Both sides, including Trump and Clinton, are pure politics, bread and circuses.
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By David Ivester I respectfully disagree. While Clinton used bad judgment and lied under oath, he didn't seek to destroy the US Constitution, nor did he condemn the media or whine about how unfair everyone was to him. There was no nefarious intent. This was obviously a purely partisan effort to remove him from office. Trump, on the other hand, has spoken and acted upon nefarious intentions designed to line his pockets, remove human rights from minorities and immigrants, committed crimes against the democracy, spoken lies against groups of people with the intent of demonizing them and portraying them as evil. All of the acts and lies he has perpetrated upon America have been designed to energize his base, divide the country, gain power, and for personal gain. While I don't believe that the impeachment proceedings have been partisan in nature, I do believe that those protecting and enabling this president have been purely partisan.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I respectfully disagree. Clinton didn't care about violating the US Constitution, and like most POTUSes (including Bush, Obama and Trump), he violated it on a regular basis.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris All these mentioned above, including Trump, have used nefarious means designed to line their or their buddies pockets,
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By Kirby Liberty Harris ... remove human rights from their enemies. committed crimes against the democracy, spoken lies against groups of people with the intent of demonizing them and portraying them as evil.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris All of the acts and lies they perpetrated upon America have been designed to energize their base, divide the country, gain power, and for personal gain.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris The impeachment proceedings have been 100% partisan in nature. I do believe that those protecting and enabling either side have been purely partisan. You ONLY think it is Trump, because you are highly partisan. I am not so I see it on both sides.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris What had Trump done to remove human rights from minorities and immigrants? He has arrested immigrants who the law says are illegal. Though the law violates the US Constitution.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris ... because the Constitution does not allow the Feds to handle immigration, ONLY naturalization aka letting immigrants become citizens.
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By David Ivester You say you are not partisan but I am. I think you are making unsubstantiated assumptions. I make my decisions and judgments based on logic, right and wrong, as well as verbal and demonstrated actions. If Trump demonstrated qualities that upheld the US Constitution, he did not constantly lie, and he didn't whine about how unfair everyone is to him, and I still felt he should be impeached, then I would be looking at this in a strictly partisan way. Whereas previous presidents who were either Democrat or Republican may have appeared to do things to gain favor, this president seeks to destroy our environment, and therefore all forms of life, for the purpose of monetary wealth. No other president on your list blatantly disregarded the findings of environmentalists and scientists. He denies the existence of climate change because to do otherwise would mean that the protections and regulations put in place by previous administrations would remain in place and would restrict the selling of mineral rights on public lands.
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By William Dykeman thats some crank interpetation not the real law
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By William Dykeman The U.S. Constitution gives very few specifics about the way U.S. immigration policy should look, but it provides broad guidelines as to who has authority to make such policy, as well as the legal means for challenges to elements of that policy.

In Article I, Section 8, the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the responsibility “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” determining how immigrants can become citizens. Despite this charge, many states enacted their own immigration policies during the Republic’s early years. According to the University of California, Irvine law professor Jennifer Chacon, “for the first century of the United States’ existence, many states enacted laws regulating and controlling immigration into their own borders. Various states passed laws aimed at preventing a variety of populations from entering the borders of their states, including individuals with criminal records, people reliant on public assistance, slaves, and free blacks.” https://www.boundless.com/blog/u-s-constitution-immigration/
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By William Dykeman nether of you studied law in law school but i did so please defer https://www.boundless.com/blog/u-s-constitution-immigration/ The U.S. Constitution gives very few specifics about the way U.S. immigration policy should look, but it provides broad guidelines as to who has authority to make such policy, as well as the legal means for challenges to elements of that policy.

In Article I, Section 8, the U.S. Constitution grants Congress the responsibility “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,” determining how immigrants can become citizens. Despite this charge, many states enacted their own immigration policies during the Republic’s early years. According to the University of California, Irvine law professor Jennifer Chacon, “for the first century of the United States’ existence, many states enacted laws regulating and controlling immigration into their own borders. Various states passed laws aimed at preventing a variety of populations from entering the borders of their states, including individuals with criminal records, people reliant on public assistance, slaves, and free blacks.”
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By William Dykeman Since the late 19th century, the U.S. Supreme court has consistently backed the federal immigration regulations against constitutional challenges. Still, Chacon writes, “Notwithstanding the letter of the law, federal immigration law is always mediated by powerful intervening forces at the state and local level.”
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By David Ivester To whom are you replying?
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By William Dykeman kirby and his kook right conspiracy rubbish
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By Kirby Liberty Harris David, I am not partisan. I am not for either team. But everything you say seems to be for blue team. you are the one making unsubstantiated assumptions. I only make my decisions and judgments based on logic, right and wrong, as well as verbal and demonstrated actions.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris William, the court is continually wrong. The Constitution ONLY says the Congress can make Rules of Naturalization, not control immigration. The Founders spoke extensively on it.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris David, I NEVER SAID that Trump demonstrated qualities that upheld the US Constitution. I said most POTUSes, especially Trump and the three before him violated the Constitution.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Not agreeing with environmentalists and scientists on man made climate change is not in violation of the Constitution. You speak dribble. You are arguing ideology, not violating the Constitution.
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By William Dykeman oh please you most certainly have picked a side
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By William Dykeman your just another nut with too much tin foil cutting off the blood supply to your brain
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Nope, not for Red Team or blue team. Not part of the 'Orange Man Bad' cult AND not part of the 'Cheeto Jesus Saves' cult.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Not a nut. That is you, obviously.
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By William Dykeman lets let the people decide comrade
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By Kirby Liberty Harris They will. and it wont be your claim.
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By William Dykeman again let those who read our words decide i'm fine with that
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Hypocrite, again. You demand I prove my claims, but yu refuse to prove yours. They will see that.
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By William Dykeman you never do and i dont have to i already know i'm right
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By Kirby Liberty Harris BS, you and I do sometimes and don't sometimes
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