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Drill baby drill here: US set to become world's largest oil producer. Pleased?

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US to pass Russia as the world's largest producer soon, but some say it's a disaster for the environment while others fear OPEC will open the pipes. Your view?
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By Andrew Herzman While the rest of the world is beating us at wind/solar/hydro, we concentrate on 20th century technology. Pathetic
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By Chris Schene The rest of the World is NOT beating us at wind. We are the Saudi Arabia of wind.
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By Andrew Herzman Oh right. We're number 1 at everything. I forgot.
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By Chris Schene Andrew as you can see, I corrected my statement: the US used to be first in wind power but now China is first and US is second.

A humble man, such as I, admits when he is wrong.
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By Andrew Herzman Don't be wrong in the first place.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Chris, don't mind Andrew, he isn't nice or civil and doesn't make mistakes, so doesn't give people grace and mercy when they do and humbly admit it.
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By William Dykeman are you serious?
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By Chris Schene I stand corrected: my data was a little out of date. China has since passed the US in total installed wind capacity, but the US is currently second on a per country basis. A humble person admits their mistakes.

Wind power is actually far less expensive in the US than solar: The wind can blow 24 hours a day where you have sun for far less time. Also, land used for wind generation can still be used for other purposes whereas land used for solar cannot. Further, wind power is currently the last expensive way to add new generation capacity in the US. Also, keep in mind that “installed wind generation capacity” is not the same as actual wind generation because it depends on how often the wind blows and at what speed and how well the units are maintained.

Rooftop solar, while very romantic sounding, is not a cost-effective way of generating: Utility scale solar is about 1/3 the cost of rooftop solar and a per KWH basis.

It takes a very long time to transition primary energy sources: 75 years on average. Transition to renewables will happen in the US, but will take a long time.
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By Chris Schene Sorry, I meant: Further, wind power is currently the least expensive way to add new generation capacity in the US
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By William Dykeman china is the future as is the new marxism
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By Chris Schene China isn't even Communist anymore: They are a Capitalist country, through authoritarian.

The biggest areas of Christian growth are in Asia and Africa: China already has over 120 million Christian even through technically most of them are illegal: The only legal Christian churches are those controlled by the government and most Christians are not members of those government controlled Churches. Christianity is growing faster in China than it did in the Roman Empire

China will, within 100-150 years, be the largest Christian country in the World. They will be the World power, but they will be a Christian World power. By that time Western Europe will be Islamic countries under Sharia law and the US will be a shriveled, weakened, decadent and poor country and Christian China will dominate the World.
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By William Dykeman well it depends on your definition they are definetely socialist
most of the economy is still run by the state
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By Andrew Herzman And when our economy is run by the FEDERAL RESERVE, what do you call that?
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By Chris Schene That is a rather naive oversimplification.
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By Andrew Herzman LOL. sure.
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By William Dykeman confusing
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By Mark Tracey No, they are communists, the do understand the benefits of a market economy but only allow it under the strick control of the communist leadership.
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By Dan Anderson Chris - Even Japan beats the US regarding wind electric generation per capita.
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By Chris Schene The wind power in Japan seems pretty insignificant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_by_country. According to that data, at least.

The US actually doesn't use much solar as an overall percent of generation as wind has been far more cost effective. But, with some recent solar developments solar may be cost competitive. Our electricity is less expensive: I pay an average of 11 cents a KWH, which is pretty decent by World standards.

But, we have a lot of clean generation: 33% Nat gas which has less than 50% the CO2 emissions of coal, 20% nuclear and close to 9% wind (the Wikipedia article says 6% but it is out of date)
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By Dan Anderson Chris - thank you for the input. Interesting. I sit corrected on my claim. (I would "stand corrected" but it is hard to type when standing.)