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Trump tightens food stamp work requirements, 700K people to lose benefits. OK?

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The White House announced new work requirements that is part of three steps intended to cut the program significantly. Is this the right approach?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Man, every once in a while he does something good.
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By William Dykeman since when i is starvation f the poor good some christian you are American values are a cancer you want to play with guns but let people starve
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No willie. It is not good for poor to starve, but this requires to look more to work, than freebees. Less slaves to the govt, more self reliance.
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By William Dykeman slaves have to work free mean get freebies
soon only robots will work
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By Vincent D'Emidio God, but you sound like a Republican!
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No, I sound like a person who wants to empower everyone to not have to depend on others. To be free from all forms of slavery.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Oh, now I know what you mean...you're running that "Teach a man to fish" GARBAGE! Dig this...all tne people who can't afford to buy a fish ALREADY KNOW how to catch a fish. They don't wanna hear that fish story from you...they want you to GIVE them a fish to eat for tonight at least!

All the "Weisenheimers" who run that STUPID parable quite simply don't wanna give po' folks NOTHING...that's why we tax the hell out of them, because they don't wanna "give it up"!
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No, I sound like a person who wants to empower everyone to not have to depend on others. To be free from all forms of slavery. And I want to help less fortunate, but as I choose. And I do choose and I do help many. All about choice.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Here is a bit of information for you about those who are on public assistance:

Of people enrolled in Medicaid, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months and 35.3 percent participated between 37 and 48 months.
At 38.6 percent, the largest share of SNAP recipients participated between 37 and
48 months.

At 49.4 percent, the largest share of people receiving housing assistance benefits participated between 37 and 48 months.

Of people enrolled in the Supplemental Security Income program, 35.6 percent participated between one and 12 months, while 38.2 percent participated between 37 and 48 months.

At 62.9 percent, the largest share of people participating in TANF participated between one and 12 months.

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

So, not that many people are just "skimming off the government. The vast majority of people on public assistance are on only for a short time.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Your comment seemed to imply that you think most people on public assistance are just "sucking off the government" when in fact, they are not.

People do NOT enjoy being on public assistance of any sort.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris First, many people do enjoy being on the dole. And second, though some do not enjoy being on it and try to get off quick, quite a few love it and are sucking off the government. Third, it makes us slaves to the lender/giver.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - The statistics show you are completely wrong. The vast MAJORITY do NOT enjoy being on it. If you define "many" as a large number, then you could be right, but again, the vast majority do NOT.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I never said the vast majority. I said a lot. And the statistics don't show that a lot love being on it. The problem is we are both using vague terms.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - "vast majority" is not nearly as vague as you seem to want it to be. The term "a lot" is far vaguer, especially when you do not even mention any numbers or even elude to them.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Always a contest with you and always have to be right. Both terms are vague. You have two types on government assistance, those who hate it and want off and those who love it and try to stay on it.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris But none of this was my real point. The point is make paying for it voluntary, with either a private or government charity, where you get tax breaks IF you give.
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By William Dykeman i hope the poor come and take everything you have and then light the rubble on fire, thats what you deserve
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No willie. It is not good for poor to starve, but this requires to look more to work, than freebees. Less slaves to the govt, more self reliance.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I am the poor, doof.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Then why do you side with the rich ANIMALS?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I don't side with the rich. I side with what stops people form being slaves to any master, rather that be crony capitalists or crony government.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Funny, but I believe I've heard that before...EVERY time I talk to a Republican, or a Racist (same thing!). EVERY so-called "conservative" says the same thing, like machines!
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Ok, if you say so. But it is true. I am against anyone from being a slave to crony capitalists and crony government.
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By Vincent D'Emidio This is your idea of "good"?!!!
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By Dan Anderson Vincent - Apparently, Kirby is against all of the tenets taught in his Bible as well as common decency, like helping those who are unable to function effectively, those who are destitute, etc. He seems to be against ALL social programs, which includes parks (from local to national), libraries, police and fire protection, and even the military. He makes no sense to me. The only thing he does with people who disagree is looking for irrelevant arguments to attempt petty insult. Oh, well.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Yeah, he'll probably quote that NONSENSE about "instead of giving a poor man a fish, we'll teach him how to fish. The only thing I know is that if I'm hungry, I wanna eat that fish RIGHT NOW! I already KNOW how to fish, I don't want ANY indoctrination from so-called "conservatives" who don't know anything about life!
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By Robert Hopkins I guess you never read that part that say that he that does not work does not eat
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By Dan Anderson Robert - I have read it, but in a socially aware society, when one falls down, one does not demand the one who has fallen and has broken an ankle build their own crutches.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Dan, you assume to much and talk down to any who disagree with you. I am not an anarchist who is against nay form of government. I argue with those folks just like I argue with those who are statists and want government to do everything.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Dan, I am actually in the radical middle, against extreme big government or extreme anarchism which you falsely label me. I want a man to eat fish, but not by forcing other men to give it to him by the hand of armed thugs (government forcing charity.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Dan, you twist things, including what the bible says, nowhere does the bible say to use government to help the poor. It tells people to help the poor privately as groups or individuals.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Dan, I have common decency to give to those poorer than me, without stealing it from those who don't wish to help through coerced giving through government.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris These comments are for Vince too.
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Where did I say anything about government intervention to help the poor? Hint: I didn't. The US government, which has an abundance, CAN assist those in need, therefore, why not help those in need? I am not talking about those who are attempting to freeload off the government, but those who really need it? Have you never been down-and-out?
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By Dan Anderson Kirby - Who, again, is talking about coercion? You are adding more than necessary for the conversational stone soup.
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By Robert Hopkins An abundance, we are 22 trillion in the hole, that is not an abundance.
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By Dan Anderson Citation for your claim of $22-trillion, please.
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By Dan Anderson Robert - I found one source which claims that, but also examines WHY we are so far in debt - the cause? President Adam Henry for taking away a lot of the tax base by giving the ultra-rich and corporations great tax loopholes, where the middle to lower class people have to pay more. So much for his claim that the rich would not benefit from his tax program, but the poor to middle-class folks would.
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By Robert Hopkins https://www.usdebtclock.org
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By Kirby Liberty Harris LOL, Dan. You are a riot. You mentioned helping the poor. In context to the conversation, you are referring to the government doing it, which is forcing people to pay for it. You are laughable to blame
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By Kirby Liberty Harris You are laughable to blame Trump for the debt. So I guess the high debt under Obama was due to him giving the rich their money back. Remember it is their money, our money. You blame Trump when the cause is spending.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Dan, you are talking about coercion, if I refuse to give my money to bail out the poor, then the government forces me or jails me...that is coercion. Let me decide to help the poor myself, which I do.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris There are many ways to fund government IF it only provides things we the people cant do ourselves like military. No need for coercion. The poor can be taken care of IF just all the rich liberal millionaires would create a charity to do so.
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