Topic: Israelis/Palestinians

Trump admin reverses US policy on Israeli settlements: not illegal. Agree?

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Netanyahu applauded the decision to reverse 40 years of US policy. Do you agree that Israeli settlements are not illegal under intl. law?
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Results in this view: Y-not Illegal 11% - Convince Me 11% - N-illegal 78%
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Good for the Trump admin. It is rare they do something good. ALL the land belongs to Israel, so the settlements are legal.
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by anon-a4e4 As I said in my main comment, whether or not it's legal, it's incredibly stupid:

"...any policy that "helps" Israel in this way is like giving a heroin addict heroin and claiming you're helping him. Israel can not survive as a democracy if it continues to create a binational state where half the population can't vote. It will lead to ruin and is a march of folly with few parallels in history. Shame on the Trump administration for enabling Israel's suicidal leadership."

I don't think you have any idea what is going on in the territories and I don't know what your plan is for the millions of Palestinians who live there if "the land belongs to Israel". Why is that - because of some book that Judeo-Christians worship which says that?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No, historically all that land has been Israel's for at least 6000 years. And they ONLY lost it due to Kings in the name of Christianity stealing it, and then those kings losing it to the Muslims. So after WW2 the Allies gave part of it back to them.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Then the Muslim nations around Israel attacked Israel, Israel won against them and won the rest of it back. Later, the world pressured Israel into giving up the parts the Muslims now hold.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Part of the WW2 deal, the Muslim nations were supposed to create a Homeland for the Muslims displaced by giving Israel her land back, but reneged, hence the pressure to give up land to the refugees.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris And liking this to giving a heroin addict what they want is ludicrous. And Israel is not setting it up a bi-lateral nation where half the population can't vote. In Israel all the population votes and in the Muslim areas their leaders allow them to vote.
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By Vincent D'Emidio "Israel ONLY lost it due to Kings in the name of Christianity stealing it"

Yo Kirb, you need to re-read your history because you got it all wrong. At the time of Christ, Israel was UNDER ROMAN RULE. Now, as a Province of Rome, the Israelites' duty was to collect taxes (as Jesus Himself said, "Render unto Rome..."), and keep ,the peace. But, the Israelites refused to do what EVERY other Roman Province did...OBEY Roman Law! That's all they had to do! Imperial Rome was not a "Christian Country", so they didn't oppress Rome for Jesus...they just had to maintain ORDER, nothing more. Again, the Israelites and their "Christian" fellow travelers REFUSED to obey. That's why the Emperor had no choice but to stop them. Period.
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By William Dykeman all this occured so long ago it doesnt matter
the state of israel should be peacefully dissolved
it has absolutely no right to exist
because it cant exist without bleeding the German state and costing the aEMRICAN EMPIRE its precoius youth
why die for israel? what did they ever do for us
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I know the Romans controlled the area at the time you are referring to. And they destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD after four years of Jewish rebellion. That is when the Jews lost Israel. They should have rebelled against the brutal Romans.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris The period I am referring to is when the 'Christian' Kings tried to take Jerusalem from the Jews who had it back. It is called the crusades.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Willie, I agree that the US should not have their youth bleed for Israel. They have every right to exist.
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By Vincent D'Emidio The Romans may have been brutal, but the inhabitants of the area were not strong enough to resist Roman rule. So, they should've just accepted their status and just paid their taxes...just as the rich FILTH in America MUST pay their taxes.
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By Vincent D'Emidio I agree, the so-called "christian" kings should've stayed outta there, it was none of their business.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No, they rebelled against the oppression. They sgould have. And no one should pay taxes, at least not high ones if we do pay them.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Oh, I understand why they would hate their Roman occupiers. However, the other Provinces accepted Roman rule, so why couldn't the Middle Easterners do the same? Especially when it's beneficial...as you say, the "liberals" should "accept" Trump's misrule because he's given us a "good economy". The Romans gave the Middle Easterners a good economy as well, so why shouldn't they accept it?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I never said the "liberals" should "accept" Trump's misrule because he's given us a "good economy". You got the wrong guy. The Jews should hot have excepted Roman oppression because "it was beneficial".
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By Vincent D'Emidio I agree. i was just being sarcastic when I said that "liberals should accept...". The Jewish and Arab people were probably more civilized than their Roman conquerors, and probably felt superior to their Roman counterparts. However, when your conquerors are militarily superior to you, you ain't got much choice.
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By William Dykeman isreal was a mistake period it should be peacefully dismantled the jews can all go back to new york where they came from they want warm weather, miami beach is nice
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by anon-a4e4 A ridiculous statement, sorry. No one is going back on their own, but Israel should change its policies before is leads to a binational state. And because they are immoral.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Yes and no anon.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Israel should stay with ALL their orginal antient borders.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Oh, then the Palestinians, who've been there for Centuries, should just be EVICTED from their land?!!! The IDF can just destroy Palestinian houses, and that's okay with you, huh?

You have a lousy blind spot.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Your blind spot doesn't let you see that when Israel was re-established the powers that be set up areas for the Arabs in Palestine outside of Israel's borders in what are now Arab nation's, but those nations refused to let them live there, so they then carved out spots inside of Israel for them. That was stupid.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris No, the IDF should not destroy the Arab's houses.
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By William Dykeman wife have you sleeping with the computer again?
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By Vincent D'Emidio Sorry Kirby, but you're 100% WRONG on this one. The Modern State of Israel's boundaries were SET by the Balfour Agreement...Those borders did NOT include the West Bank (hardly Judea or Samaria), the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights! Those lands were STOLEN after Israel launched a SNEAK ATTACK on the Egyptian Air Force while it's planes lay on the ground. That means, in plain English, that the Israelis STARTED the War!

A lot of American-Israeli APOLOGISTS will claim that Egypt was "spoiling for war" and was "threatening Israel", so the IDF launched a "pre-emptive strike". Well, to those Neo-Cons I gotta ask, "Did the AMERICAN RESEARCH SHIP, the USS Liberty, 'threaten' Israel? Is that why the IDF launched an ATTACK on the Liberty, and "tried" to blame it on Egypt?
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By William Dykeman the state of isreal cannot exist with out conflict costant war and genocide it must be dissolved
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By Kirby Liberty Harris I know what set the borders. I mentioned that above, but not by name. The lands were not stolen. They gained their orginal land not given to them through war after the Muslim nations attacked them.
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By Vincent D'Emidio "the Muslim nations attacked them"

Did they? Not in 1967...that "war" was LAUNCHED by Israel, and that's a proven fact.
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By William Dykeman actually in 1967 the jews made a pre emptive strike , thats factual i'm all about facts Image result for 6 day war preemptive strikemfa.gov.il
The Six-Day War occurred at a time of heightened tension between Israel and its neighbouring Arab countries. ... The war began on June 5, 1967, when Israel launched a preemptive assault against the Egyptian and Syrian air forces.
Combatants: Israel, Arab
Start date: June 5
End date: 10, 1967
Six-Day War | Causes & Summary | Britannica
https://www.britannica.com › event › Six-Day-War
6 arab nations were about to attck they decided to act first
that is what thye are guilty of, it didnt look good for pr but it is what they had to do to prevent being anihilated
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By William Dykeman in 1948 borders were set why not just go back to them then, no one is inocent down there
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By Kirby Liberty Harris You are stuck on 1967. I am not referring to 1967, but The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 when five Arab nations invaded Israel.
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Willie, they had borders set for the Palistinain Arabs to be in neighboring nations, not Israel, but the Muslim nations refused to give them land.
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By Vincent D'Emidio Why should the other Arab nations be forced to accept Palestinian refugees? They came from Palestine, and the incoming Israeli government should've accepted that fact, but the first Zionists wanted it all. They had absolutely NO provision for the Indigenous (yes, I said, "Indigenous") Palestinians w ho were living there for THOUSANDS of years!
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Not saying they had to. I make the point because those Arab nation criticize Israel for not giving them all the land, while they didn't give them any of their land. The land the Arab nations were supposed to give them was the refugees land too
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By Kirby Liberty Harris If the Arab nations don't have to give them any land, then neither should Israel.
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By Vincent D'Emidio But the IDF attacked, overran and burned the homes of Palestinians who lived in Palestine (a/k/a Israel), so that they would have a Jewish majority. Then in 1967, to ,add insult to injury, the LAUNCHED a SNEAK ATTACK on their Arab neighbors, calling it an, ahem, "Pre-Emptive Strike"!

So, in my opinion, and everybody else's opinion, they OWE the West Bank to the INDIGENOUS people, the Palestinians!

I understand if all of this confuses you, so I suggest you forget EVERYTHING you believe about PM Binyamin "There will never be a Palestinian State" Netanya-filth, and instead check out J Street, the New Israel Fund and Peace Now...they will explain to you EVERYTHING that you need to know about the TRUE Israelis, not those Torah-bangers! Remember -- Secularism is TRUTH and Religion is FILTH! Don't believe me? Then ask Karl Marx, perhaps the greatest Jewish man that ever lived!
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By William Dykeman the jews pretend they ar emorally superior to say germans but in man y ways they are worse than the nazis
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By William Dykeman well heres the thing, palestinains lived on that land 2000 years then the jews came and stole it
it isnt there land they new to move back to new york
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By William Dykeman when i went back to france to visit where my family was from i went back as a guest on some ones elses country i did not demand land back i did not deserve

jews are good con artists face it they conned you
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By William Dykeman why dont you give jews part of virginai then bibe lboy?
why must the arabs give up their land?
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By Kirby Liberty Harris Vince & Willie, the Jews were there first. It is their land, stolen by other Empires. There were plenty of places for the refugees to go and the Arabs refused to give the refugees their land. The Jews did not start the wars, the Arabs did.