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Hospital refuses to hire smokers. Justified?

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Is a Florida hospital right in refusing to consider job applications from smokers?
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By Michael J Nellett When I was a kid I remember going to the doctor's office and seeing the doctors and nurses smoking in the office, so nowadays everyone has become holier than thou about smoking. I don't smoke anymore, but I don't advocate punishing those who do. What happened to freedom in America? By the way, it's not OK to smoke cigarettes, cigars, or pipes, but it's becoming acceptable to light up some weed? No harm there???
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By Billy Sands its figures you'd be for toxic clouds of death smoke, second hand smoke kills 50 000 people a year more than guns or cars. are there no doctors or scientists in your family ?these are facts not opinions they cant be refuted
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By Billy Sands sure let people smoke crack and heroin too! freedom freedom, you cant use that for an argument its ludicrous
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By Michael J Nellett Billy Sands, if you enjoy having the government tell you what you can and cannot do in a free society, then knock yourself out. I resent the government telling me how I can discipline my children, what I can eat and drink, and how much I can have. I'm tired of the feds telling me what kind of transportation I can have, determining my children's and grandchildren's education without asking me first (common core!) I resent being molested at the airport after I paid good money for a ticket. I resent being told the feds want to strictly regulate, or do away with my firearms that are protected under the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution, and on and on and on. If you don't like people smoking then don't go where people smoke!! I have heart disease and had to quit smoking 12 years ago, but for me to go insane and try to tell other people how to take care of themselves is not my business. By the way Billy, stay away from countries with active volcanoes...that stuff WILL kill you.
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  • | almost 4y ago
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By Billy Sands i enjoy telling people like you to stop killng others with your pollution there is a logical compelling reason to restrict tobacco use, it sstinks there is no rational rewason for people to smoke if you must do it away from others including your kids its child abuse, i'm sorry your too ignorant your iq is too low your too uneducated and stubborn to understand science and medicne, people like you need to be told what to do fr the sake of the comon good if you find that onerous tough, it is time to take the gloves off with apes like you.. you cant shoot your gun into kindergardener beat a child with a belt or poison his air with toxicsmoke..your betters shoud make you learn.. peasent
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By Billy Sands i enjoy having a democratic rationa lgovernment that protects the environment and the quality of life.. your a menace to society.. as bad as some kid that sells crack
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By Michael J Nellett Billy, you remind me of one of those brainwashed kids in Nazi Germany who sold their parents and anyone else with a different opinion than the garbage Uncle Adolf was selling out to the Gestapo. Keep your jackboots polished, your uniforms crisp, and your mind empty. Sounds like you're on your way to becoming a good little Nazi! Give the Fueher my regards!
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By Billy Sands well heres the thing mike in nazi germany peoplewere kept ignorant people like you!
am i brainwashed because i read? because i have educated people i rely on like my sister the doctor? my brother the metallergical engineer? my uncle the environmental biologist

the problem with you mike is one of education
i have a graduate degree in political science

mike i cant help you are deliberately ifnorant like a lot of american you think its some inaleienable right to be stupid

i'm not brainwashed

YOU ARE! your fed gargbage by nazi fox news
your the one with the nazi view
on women gays blacks guns
you do know hitler was pro gun dont you he gave every german a machine gun
bet you didnt know that! eh?
your the one who is brain washed

i'm educated i come from educated people
hell we are almost as smart as our jewish neighbors and thats pretty smart!

http://www.alternet.org/story/95109/how_anti-intellectualism_is_destroying_america

"It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/11/gun-advocates-resort-to-lies-about-hitler-to-push-their-agenda/
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By Billy Sands you make me laugh
your the one brainwashed by the nazi fox news
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By Michael J Nellett Explain Mr Sands! Apparently accusations come easily to you. Tell me one story that they have gotten wrong using FACTS, not conjecture on your part. You rely on other people to form your opinions Billy?? Aren't you able to formulate your own thoughts, or arguments by yourself Billy? You gather your OWN facts, and research your subject, then formulate a hypothesis, to come to a defensible position. All the people you named in your family are all in admirable vocations, but what does any of their occupations have to do with what we are discussing here? Only an immature troll would put forth the opinions that you have without any examples of where FoxNews, or conservatives have been disingenuous.
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By Billy Sands that is so easy just one how about one hundred time one hundred http://gawker.com/5814309/jon-stewart-reads-off-laundry-list-of-false-statements-by-lying-dynasty-fox-news

Jon Stewart has always been critical of Fox News, but this week, the Daily Show host turned the volume up several notches. After shaming the network for selectively editing his Fox News Sunday interview with Chris Wallace on yesterday's program, Stewart spent several minutes tonight reading off a list of statements by Fox that independent fact-checking organization PolitiFact has proven to be false.
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By Michael J Nellett You think a left leaning comic, whose entire show is satire, and you are quoting Jon Stewart as an authoritative news critic? Are you kidding me Billy?? What little credibility you thought you might have had in an adult conversation you just blew out the window with this confession. I asked you for facts and you give me this rubbish. If you can't factually back up any of them up, maybe you should consider NOT making anymore.
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By Billy Sands jon stewart has a lot of credibilty he is a much more accurate source of news than fox, so hes left leaning the left is a lot more accurate than the right.. actually i got most of my data from the economist magazine which is liberal conservative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_economist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservative
mike i urge you to take a course in critical reasonaing you simply dont knw how to think

and that typical of american conservatives

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/are-republican-brains-different

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).
A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.
Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political and organizational contexts.
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  • | almost 4y ago
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By Billy Sands mike most people are guilty of confirmation bias

i am
but i do look at many sources some left wing some very conservative
there are very accurate conservative forces

Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

mike this is the way you reason

the right is always right if it conservative its accurate if its left wing its inaccurate or a lie

but you fail to provide any evidence

i have used many conservative sources like forbes magazine
thats are very objective and i know that a lot of liberal sources can be biased

the further left you go the whackier thngs get as the further right you go the nuier things will gt
your a nut mike
your not a conservative your a reactionary and your beleifs are based on a pile of manure
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  • | almost 4y ago
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By Michael J Nellett just like your brain Billy, just like your brain. By the way, the proof is in the stories themselves. Fox covers the stories that the main stream media WON"T cover for fear of making Obama look like what he really is...an incompetent communist. You wallow in your delusional state, so enjoy it.
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By Billy Sands did you even finish high school?
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By Billy Sands fox just lies it fabricates stuff it lays to kooks and feeds them garbage they want to hee, its mostly made up
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By Michael J Nellett Yes, if fact I have a college degree. Did you ever make it out of middle school?
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By Michael J Nellett You make accusations, but you haven't backed a single example up with facts. Proof Billy, proof. Your opinion of Fox News does NOT constitute factual proof of a lie, Billy. I never believe a progressives statements unless overwhelming factual proof is presented because you progressive LIE!
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By Billy Sands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7EvBxRYNME
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By Billy Sands I have a Masters of Science in Political Science , and I studied Law for several Years
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By Michael J Nellett First, I was a journalist and my job was finding out the who, what, when, why, and where of a story. Objectively NOT subjectively. The last three paragraphs that you have just written are the reason I hate dealing with progressives. You people are like puppies, you will chase your own tails until you are totally exhausted, then as soon as you catch your breath will do it again, to no useful purpose. How can you be a liberal-conservative at the same time?? Are you on meds for a split personality? Left wingers are more accurate than Fox? How is it then that Fox, has more viewers than MSNBC, CNBC, and CNN combined??? Your arguments are as shallow as you are Billy...go play outside.
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  • | almost 4y ago
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By Billy Sands objectively correct, there are so many times i have had to change my view due to the evidence
smoking almost killed me
my sister begged me not to smoke around her kids and finally she showed me tables and tables of studies
had me talk to research people she went to medical school with my uncle was an environmental biologist
i used to be pro gun till i saw my best friends brother drunkenly shoot his pet cat
kinda like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9M7-s6ToA
your were a journalist for whom???
i dont believ you i call b s
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By Michael J Nellett If it took all that to convince you to NOT smoke around her children, then you must be a pretty self centered person?!! Common sense seems to be a trait that you lack, but then again, just look at your responses to this conversation.
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By Billy Sands your the one thats doesnt support anti smoking laws
i never smoked around her kids not once
i said i would respect her view but i questioned the evidfence on second hand smoke

so basically i told her i would humor her
in my heart i know smoking around kids is bad
she should me the data and i realized i was wrong

do you smoke around kids??
your the self centered one not me!
i support laws that save kids your killing them not me!
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By Michael J Nellett If you go back and read what I said earlier I DO NOT SMOKE, what part of that didn't you catch the first time around? If your sister showed you that you were wrong, then you must have been smoking around her children, or you would have nothing to be wrong about. That's what's wrong with you progressives, you lie, then have to cover that lie with another lie until you forget about what you lied for in the first place. You sound just like Obama. If someone doesn't agree with your opinion of things then all the wrongs in the world are their fault. Masters degree in Political Science?? I sincerely doubt that. This conversation I'm having with you, you immature waste of time ends now. I've done this before with you. It's simply SSDD.
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  • | almost 4y ago
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By Billy Sands are you a cop because you act like the dumb type that did not pay attention in class, i never smoked around family
they are calvinist they dont smoke or drink and , well you just dont cross my brother in law
i can tell you arent an honest person
know why?
you project you accuse you of being dishonest because you lie a lot
i'm honest and the only people i care about is my family
the rest of the world can die in a gutter
my sister knew i smoked
she said
nver smoke around my kids i said okay
i dont want them to smoke
i said okay its a bad habit' then then she said and second hand smoke gives kids asma
and i ssaid thats never been prooven
s she took me down to her lab
and showed the the research they were doing

and obama is a conservative

i am a socialist and he sold us out the democrats sold us out
there is so little difference
between parties the democrats give lip service to progressive ideas
but they are owned by big business the only difference is the relgious crazies in the republican party
i feel hopeful

people are suffering they realize all the money and power is at the top

i think in ten years you will see things shift way to the left

and i can wait
or maybe not but others will
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By Michael J Nellett I could care less what your opinion is of me William. You are a lying piece of dirt progressive. Go play in your sandbox.
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By Billy Sands i'm not a progressive i am a socialist
and i make no apologies
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By Michael J Nellett Progressives ARE socialists idiot!! Go back to playing with your Legos!!
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By Billy Sands not really progressives are more moderate and in many cases are pro business progressive like socialist is a word with such ambiguity it means almost nothing thanks to morons like you who have perverted the meaning on purpose
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By Billy Sands thats your problem you wont listen to your superiors
filthy peasant
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By Michael J Nellett Filthy peasant?? Now that comment proves you are not only immature, and delusional, but severely mentally challenged as well. Goodbye troll!!
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By Billy Sands all americans are peasants! long live france! long live the republique! America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.
Oscar Wilde
Irish dramatist, novelist, & poet (1854 - 1900)
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By Michael J Nellett F.O.D. Billy! France had to be bailed out twice by the United States, once in 1917, and again in 1944 you useful idiot! Just another mush brain progressive!
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By Billy Sands i want you to watch this --> which explains why you will always be in debt to the French http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dfGmvokW3Y
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By Michael J Nellett We saved France's bacon TWICE in the two world wars. We helped rebuild France after WW2! I knew you won't understand this but, the United States owes France nothing. Absolutely, positively NOTHING! I told you this before, me and I will tell you again, if you love France so much feel free to join them any time Pierre!
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By Billy Sands myth the soviets actually did 90% of the fighting, oh and the british were there and the free french we were a small part
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