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Valedictorian told he must remove references to Christ from speech: right call?

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A high school valedictorian in Illinois was told he couldn't discuss his relationship with Christ during his valedictorian's speech. Reasonable or ridiculous?
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By Larry W. Gray This is Valedictorian speech, it's about school and future plans, etc. It is not an appropriate place to discuss his personal "relationship" with Christ. He can do that after school or in church.
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By William Dykeman why not? why must people be quiet about religion? i am not relgious but i think we must strike a balance as long as the statements do not insult others beleifs it should be okay to express what helped you or whta you think helped you get where you are
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By Larry W. Gray Yeah, and while this guy is digging deep into his relationship with Christ, the Jewish,Muslim, Hindu, agnostic and atheist students are going to be doing what, sitting there uncomfortably and feeling like this guy is taking their Graduation ceremony and turning it into his own personal religious crusade. it's rude, it's insensitive, it's out of place and completely inappropriate to the occasion. If he wants to prosetalyze he can do it after the Graduation is finished, or at his church. Only a selfish, self-centered religious zealot would turn his school's Graduation into his own little religious service. That's bulls**t. You wanna hear a sermon? Go to f*****g church. If I was Graduating there, I would stand up and tell him to keep his religious bulls**t to himself, it's not about HIM, it's about a whole Senior Class Graduating. That is EXACTLY why the Constitution does not include any religious teachings, our Founding Fathers were smarter than that. I was raised as a Presbyterian, I consider myself a Christian, but I don't go to church, and I certainly do not impose my religious beliefs on others. EVER.
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By William Dykeman you make a valid point, religious advocates often where their religion on the sleeve and feel entitled to beat others over the head with it
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By Larry W. Gray When do I not make valid points? LOL!
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By William Dykeman about 50% of the time i would say, but that is one mans opinion
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By Mark Tracey You make the assumtion he was proselytizing without knowing the text. More then likley he was referencing his belief rather then imploring others to follow suite.
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By Larry W. Gray "more than likely he was referencing his belief?" I would say that your point is also an assumption. How do you know what was in his mind?
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By Mark Tracey Neither of us know for certain, but how likley is it tha a high school student would take opportunity of a Valedictorian speech to get that far off track to proselytize rather then just reference the impact of his faith ?
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By Larry W. Gray How likely? Probably a more than even chance. He wanted to talk about his "relationship with Christ." Sounds a little off-track already for a Valedictorian speech. It is not about him, he is representing the entire Senior Class.
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By Mark Tracey Let’s get the transcript of the speech and see.
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By Larry W. Gray The point is that it is inappropriate to introduce personal religious preferences and beliefs in a public school Graduation ceremony. This isn't about the PERSONAL beliefs of the Valedictorian, he is speaking for the entire Graduating Senior Class. But people who want to impose their religious beliefs on others, will always think that it is a good idea to do so.
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By Mark Tracey It is not any more inappropriate than any other belief. If it is relate to to ones own personal success then why should it be hidden? People impose every type of belief imaginable, religious conviction is just one more. Everyone understands it’s not the schools position but rather personal. I don’t understand why people choose to take offense at another’s religious belief and wish to ban it from the public square.
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By Larry W. Gray Give it a rest. If you want to impose your religious beliefs on others, knock yourself out.
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By Mark Tracey The is a clear difference in discussing religious rights in the form of freedom of speech and imposing my religious belief on others. Regardless, no one is holding a gun to your head to be subject either, vote with your feet when you feel it is no longer tolerable.
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By Larry W. Gray Believe whatever you want. A valedictorian who uses his/her speech to discuss their "relationship" with Christ, is misusing the occasion, because they are supposed to be speaking for the ENTIRE graduating class. But people like you have no sense of what is and is not appropriate at a secular school function. Like I said, give it a rest.
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By Albert Rogers Why must people be quiet about their religion? The supposed "Christ", a.k.a Jesus, told his hearers NOT to air their religiosity on the street corners, and not to trust anybody that did.
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By William Dykeman why do you feel the need to beat people over the head with your relgion? if people want to know about it , they will ask you
you cant own slaves you cant burn witches you cant stones gays
and no you cant bother me with your stone age dogmas
just shut up already
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By Mark Tracey His success in school and his future plans are likley to be linked to his religious beliefs and is a fair subject for his speech.
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By Larry W. Gray "His success in school and his future plans are likely to be linked to his religious beliefs and is a fair subject for his speech." Really? I would agree, maybe, if he was planning to become a minister or priest, other than that, his religious beliefs do not belong in a secular school Graduation ceremony.
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By Charlie Fisk Who cares if it makes someone uncomfortable? That is just ridiculous. If he was a Muslim, would anyone care that he spoke about his religion? This is a free country, making people uncomfortable is our right. No law against that. If there was, this sight wouldn't exist. By the way,THAT is the definition of Facism. For those that don't know.
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By Larry W. Gray OK, so he uses the speech to glorify his relationship with Satan, as he is a member of the Satanic Church. Would that be okay with you? Secular High School Valedictorian addresses are not supposed to make people "uncomfortable." If it DOES make people "uncomfortable" than it is clearly evident that it goes beyond a simple acknowledgement of faith and becomes a personal attempt to force his religious beliefs on the other students who are Graduating. "Making people uncomfortable" is not our right, it is a misuse of the speech. But people like you want their religious beliefs shoved into the faces of those who do not share them. But then you are the first to squeal when someone makes comments that degrade your own religion, making you very "uncomfortable."
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By Albert Rogers Right!! Free speech is one thing, but as you correctly say, this is an inappropriate venue for airing your religiosity.
Besides which some of us are remarkably un-interested in his "relationships".
I had a classmate, a very bright fellow, who had I believe sexual relationships with more than one female person. Surely those too would have been an inappropriate subject?