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Holocaust Memorial Day: Trump White House statement omits mention of Jews. OK?

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White House chief of staff Reince Priebus defended statement, saying many had suffered. Is this a fair comment or is this offensive?
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By Daria Christine While the Holocaust was not an exclusively Jewish tragedy, it remains the single most effective means by which the Zionists established the State of Israel; in collusion with the Nazis, the Jews of Germany were given ample incentive to abandon a society on the cutting edge of technological advance, with electricity, and hot and cold running water, and go farm a desert while dodging the bullets of the affronted indigenous Palestinians whose ancient and ancestral olive trees have now long since been bulldozed for colonial expansion and illegal settlements.

The state of Israel is heavily invested in control of the narrative of their founding; to omit them on this occasion can only be intentional. Considering that a new broom sweeps clean, and Bannon is now in the uniquely powerfull position he is, there's definitely some willy waggin' goin on.
http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

https://youtu.be/4pKMV6e5kEo
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By Mike Hamlin History tells us that God established the Jewish state and in 1947 it was the newly formed United Nations that reestablished it.
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By Craig Coelho History tells no such thing, your big books of Abrahamic myths and incantations "told" you that.
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By Mike Hamlin Just God's Word...
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By Craig Coelho And of the thousands of gods which've been worshipped on Earth, in the past and presently, of course only YOURS is the REAL one. Pardon me while I laugh mockingly.
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By Larry W. Gray Zzzzzzzz
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By Billy Sands the words of men same as goldie locks and the three bears
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By Billy Sands god? if you do some history you will find it was the un
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By Mike Hamlin That's what I said...in 1947 reestablished it
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By Billy Sands And this is what Erich Fromm said: (thanks to Jamil T. for finding it)

...and may I add another similar statement by Erich Fromm, criticizing the Zionist assertion that Palestine is the land of the Jews, noting: "The principle holds that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which (Palestinians in Israel) have much more legitimacy than the Jews.... If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousands years ago, this world would be a madhouse." (Jewish Letter, February 9, 1959)
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By Mike Hamlin Funny thing there was no palestinian people before 1967ish.
the region was called Palestine and the people were Arab, they were Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptian etc.
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By Billy Sands mike that really isnt true let me show you something
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine
Mandatory Palestine[1] (Arabic: فلسطين‎‎ Filasṭīn; Hebrew: פָּלֶשְׂתִּינָה (א"י)‎ Pālēśtīnā (EY), where "EY" indicates "Eretz Yisrael", Land of Israel) was a geopolitical entity under British administration, carved out of Ottoman Southern Syria after World War I. British civil administration in Palestine operated from 1920 until 1948. During its existence the territory was known simply as Palestine, but, in later years, a variety of other names and descriptors have been used, including Mandatory or Mandate Palestine, the British Mandate of Palestine and British Palestine.

okay?
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By Mike Hamlin You put more detail to what I said...
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By Billy Sands According to Benny Morris, Palestinian Arab nationalism as a distinct movement appeared between April and July 1920, after the Nebi Musa riots, the San Remo conference and the failure of Faisal to establish the Kingdom of Greater Syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Palestinians#During_Ottoman_times_.281834-1917.29

The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني‎‎, ash-sha'ab il-filastini) are an Arabic-speaking people with family origins in the region of Palestine. Since 1964, they have been referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيين‎‎, al-filastiniyyin), but before that they were usually referred to as Palestinian Arabs (Arabic: العربي الفلسطيني‎‎, al-'arabi il-filastini). During the period of the British Mandate, the term Palestinian was also used to describe the Jewish community living in Palestine. The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was founded as the Palestine Orchestra, and The Jerusalem Post was founded as The Palestine Post. The Arabic-language newspaper Falastin (Palestine) was founded in 1911 by Palestinian Christians.
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By Mike Hamlin Golda Maier and Yasser Arafat, both agree with us. You keep making my point.
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By Billy Sands well here is my point whether palestine existed as a distinct nation or not to me isnt the point the point is palestinian arabs lived on that land for 2000 years, even the holocaust can not justify displacing people and stealing their land, it just isnt right, they taught us in sunday school that thou shallt not steal was one of the commandments 6th or 7th depending on the bible , the state of israel has been built by pushing palestininans off their land

that does not seem right to me
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By Mike Hamlin You mean Syrian, Lebanese, etc off the Jewish land the occupied.

It was never their land in the first place.

That said...Israel has offered to help them to build a nation of their own for, and they ask for 1 thing in return. The Arab commitment, that the state of Israel has the right to exist...

Currently the "Palestinian" government is more interest in attacking and killing Jews, than it is, building their nation and feeding their people.

PM Golda Maier, said something like this; if only the arabs would love their sons more than they hate ours, there could be peace. Not exact, but pretty close.
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By Billy Sands ..and may I add another similar statement by Erich Fromm, criticizing the Zionist assertion that Palestine is the land of the Jews, noting: "The principle holds that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which (Palestinians in Israel) have much more legitimacy than the Jews.... If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers lived two thousands years ago, this world would be a madhouse." (Jewish Letter, February 9, 1959)
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By Billy Sands of course it was you dont leave a place for 2000 years and then get to return that is beyond absurd
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By Billy Sands well by that reasoning we all have to pack up and give tis land back to the indians then, dont be absurd
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By Mike Hamlin No one here trying to take my home away from me . Not even the UN.
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By Mike Hamlin Most of them didn't leave on their own accord, they were forced out and not allowed to return.
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By Daria Christine https://youtu.be/4pKMV6e5kEo

Perhaps you missed the link in your haste to respond. The sheer number of gods involved in the giving and taking of the land under Israel is staggering.
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By Mike Hamlin There is only one God that established Israel, the gods you refer to were distractions to the Children of God and which brought God's Anger down on them, which is why they were scattered world wide.
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By Daria Christine "Some minds are like concrete; all mixed up and permanently set" - Salada
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By Mike Hamlin Show something better...
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By Daria Christine "Better"? How about secular ethics?

Morality is merely simplified ethics for people too ignorant to know right from wrong.
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By Mike Hamlin Anything secular is subject to personal opinions and whims and are ever changing.
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By Daria Christine Thanks for trying; "Secular" may include fact, fiction, and opinion, in fact "Secular" is a word with a definition: "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis."

Secular Ethics is no more or less subject to opinion and whim than religious morality excepting that religion has no basis in fact.

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By Mike Hamlin "Secular ethics" have no foundation, they are like a whisper in the wind. Much of today's morals and values were derived from Gods Truth, giving them the foundation to be pillars of society.
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By Larry W. Gray Well, thank you Mr. Anti-Semite and Jew hater.
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By Daria Christine https://youtu.be/4pKMV6e5kEo

That's Ms. to you; I'm a militant atheist, not an anti-Semite; in point of fact, I still keep my mother's Menorah and have no special animus for Jews, I think all of you religious fools are just emotional children; terrified to face the vast emptiness without your imaginary friends.

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By Larry W. Gray Thank you, MS. anti-Semite. And if you have something to say, say it. I don't respond to people's lazy and self-serving "links."
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By Daria Christine What a retard
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By Larry W. Gray "What a retard" What are you, 8 years old? "I still keep my mother's Menorah and have no special animus for Jews." Well, that's mighty white of you. You definately have animus toward Jews and Israel, it's just not "special," and neither are you.
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By Daria Christine You really are a special child, aren't you? The children of Jewish mothers are ... ? (Three guesses, first two don't count.)
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By Larry W. Gray There are many "children of Jewish mothers" who do not practice their faith, same as Christians and everyone else. And anyone that uses the word "retard," is not worth taking seriously, which I don't.
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By Billy Sands if her mom is jewish i doubt she is an anti semite
she probably like me just feels that if you condemn one stupid dogma you have to treat them all by the same standard and not play favorites
the insult that usually got slung my way was self hating jew
which is strange because i am actually a methodist
i dont know why almost everyone automatically assumes ,and everyone does
that i am a jew
i found the people who use this are very ethnocentirc
to the point their atittudes resemble those of white supremacists

bigotry is not monopolized by any one culture it just isnt anglo saxons you can find racists in all cultures
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By Billy Sands I just think it is more important to be human and to have a human heritage; and I think it is wrong for anyone to feel that there is anything special about any one heritage of whatever kind. It is delightful to have the human heritage exist in a thousand varieties, for it makes for greater interest, but as soon as one variety is thought to be more important than another, the groundwork is laid for destroying them all."

He had some additional thoughts in a chapter titled "Anti-Semitism" in _I. Asimov
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By Billy Sands _I. Asimov_, his third autobiographical volume. There, he discussed how he was distressed by the capability of the historically oppressed (such as the Jews) to in turn become oppressors if given the chance, and writes, "Right now, there is an influx of Soviet Jews into Israel. They are fleeing because they expect religious persecution. Yet at the instant their feet touched Israeli soil, they became extreme Israeli nationalists with no pity for the Palestinians. From persecuted to persecutors in the blinking of an eye.
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