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Trump on a roll after series of successes, claims he's winning: is he right?

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Liberals are on their heels as Trump scores a series of wins with tax reform, fulfilling Jerusalem pledge a strong economy and more. Can he claim he's winning?
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By Larry W. Gray And what "SERIES OF SUCCESSES" is the article referring to?
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By Mark Tracey It’s the economy....all the numbers are going in a positive direction. Wages, up, employment up, taxes down, stock market up.
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By Larry W. Gray Yeah, so let's not make too much of a fuss about Trump being a serial predator and misogynist. And his strong support for another sexual predator of young girls, I mean, he's Trump's kinda people! The damage that this man has already done to this country in less than a year is unspeakable. And how much of the current prosperity is due to President Obama's policies? The economy was already doing good when Trump showed up, so I wouldn't give him all the credit.
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By William Dykeman the republican party is totally bankrupt all they can do is ape reagans failed policies and now now they are embracing child rapists and groper in chiefs , they are the party of degenracy
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By Mark Tracey Reagan failed to take the party to the Left, that’s what you meant. Accusations are only that. It is difficult to fathom that charges of such a serious nature were never made at the time of the alleged event yet surface only at the time they are politically expedient. The is no evidence, no witnesses, not enough to make a case let along secure an indictments much less a conviction.
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By Mark Tracey Obama could not put together one quarter of GDP growth of 3% or better in eight years. Trumps shift of policy accomplished it in his first quarter in office.
Accusations are only that. It is difficult to fathom that charges of such a serious nature were never made at the time of the alleged events yet surface only at the time they are politically expedient. The is no evidence, just as there is NO EVEDENCE OF RUSSIAN COLLUSION as you promised me months ago.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - you want facts which show you are wrong? Probably not, but look at these 10 graphics which show how it was Mr. Obama, not Mr. 45, who changed things around.

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/2015/10/28/obama-economy-10-charts/1.html
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by anon-a4e4 Mark is not interested in really analyzing things. He's excellent at presenting one fact that seems to confuse the picture but ignoring of course the big picture. Which is where the economy was and where it is now. Trump is not growing the economy, he is giving a massive gift to companies by reducing their taxes and thus increasing their profits so the stock market price goes up. Mark will boldly and completely ignore the total failure of "trickle down" policies because that isn't what he's about.

But I admit that as far as right wing interlocutors go, he's one of the better ones. First of all, he can spell...
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By Dan Anderson Anon - Agreed about his being somewhat educated, at least. Now, hopefully, he learns something about critical thinking and not just being critical of whatever he happens to believe at the moment.
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By Larry W. Gray Trying to explain things to Mark is a lost cause. He is in full Trumpbot mode and incapable of rational thought. Save your breath.
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By Dan Anderson Larry - I happen to agree with you. Too bad he does not use the intelligence he has to see the whole picture. Oh, well.
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By Kevin Basner Mark, have you ever stopped to think that maybe You, yourself, are wrong about everything you just proclaimed and believed?!
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By Mark Tracey It is hard to be wrong about published statistics, would you like the actual numbers and the source? It is easily found on a quick internet search of government data.
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By Larry W. Gray Don't even bother trying to reason with Mark, Kevin. He is in full Trumpbot mode, it is like talking to a wall, but even a wall would make more sense that Markbot.
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By Kevin Basner lol thanks for the advice Larry :) You're absolutely right :)
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By Mark Tracey Your avoiding the statistics as well, deny the facts, blame the messenger... right?
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By Dan Anderson Mark - the difficulty is that the trend started during the Obama administration. Everything you mentioned was attributable to Mr. Obama, NOT Mr. 45. He is merely riding the proverbial shirt tails of Mr. Obama.
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By Mark Tracey No, the trend started when Trump promised tax cuts and regulation roll backs for business. You probably don’t remember Obama claimg that 2% GDP growth was the new normal and we all need to get used to it. Trump didn’t just make the promises to get elected, he has followed through since inauguration, in spite of heavy resistance from all sectors including Republicans.
No, the trend started when Trump promised tax cuts and regulation roll backs for business. You probably don’t remember Obama claimg that 2% GDP growth was the new normal and we all need to get used to it. Trump didn’t just make the promises to get elected, he has followed through since inauguration, in spite of heavy resistance from all sectors including Republicans. No, the trend started when Trump promised tax cuts and regulation roll backs for business. You probably don’t remember Obama claimg that 2% GDP growth was the new normal and we all need to get used to it. Trump didn’t just make the promises to get elected, he has followed through since inauguration, in spite of heavy resistance from all sectors including Republicans. No, the trend started when Trump promised tax cuts and regulation roll backs for business. You probably don’t remember Obama claimg that 2% GDP growth was the new normal and we all need to get used to it. Trump didn’t just make the promises to get elected, he has followed through since inauguration, in spite of heavy resistance from all sectors including Republicans. http://www.aei.org/publication/team-obama-sorry-america-the-new-normal-may-be-here-to-stay/
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By William Dykeman Trump says the last eight years have been disastrous. Nope, not when compared to other recent presidencies.
By these measures, the economy strengthened the most between 1993 and 2000, when President Bill Clinton was in office, followed by the Obama years, 2009-2016. So whatever you think of Obama’s policy choices, the U.S. economy did better while he was in the White House than it did under all but one of his five most recent predecessors.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-01-19/ranking-the-obama-economy
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By William Dykeman It was another fairly strong report: a hundred and fifty-six thousand jobs were created in December, the unemployment rate was 4.7 per cent, and average hourly wages were almost three per cent higher than they had been a year earlier. As the President’s supporters were quick to point out, this was the seventy-fifth consecutive month of job growth, which is a record for the modern era. Since early 2010, 15.8 million jobs have been created.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obamas-economic-record-an-assessment
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By Dan Anderson Spamming does not help your cause, Mark. Again, just look at the source I gave you which shows the upward trend began before Mr. 45 even mentioned he was thinking of running again.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - to use the AEI as a reliable source is unethical if you know what they actually do. If you are ignorant of their actions, then I can see why you would use them. The problem is that they are very well known internationally as a "lying organization."

For example, according to the Guardian article, the AEI received $1.6 million in funding from ExxonMobil. The article further notes that former ExxonMobil CEO Lee R. Raymond is the vice-chairman of AEI's board of trustees. This story was repeated by Newsweek, which drew criticism from its contributing editor Robert J. Samuelson because "this accusation was long ago discredited, and Newsweek shouldn't have lent it respectability. (The company says it knew nothing of the global-warming grant, which involved issues of climate modeling. And its 2006 contribution to the think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, was small: $240,000 out of a $28 million budget.)" The Guardian article was disputed both by AEI and in an editorial in the Wall Street Journal. The rebuttals claimed factual errors and distortions, noting the ExxonMobil funding was spread out over a ten-year period and totaled less than 1% of AEI's budget. The Wall Street Journal editorial stated: "AEI doesn't lobby, didn't offer money to scientists to question global warming, and the money it did pay for climate research didn't come from Exxon."
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By Larry W. Gray Does something get more true if you repeat the same thing multiple times? Yawn!
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By Mark Tracey Spam?
The source does not didctate to data, there are hundreds of different sites that offer the same governmaent data. You attempt to discredit the date based on the messenger rather the offer valid counterpoint.
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By Mark Tracey Your efforts are in vain, the data is the data regardless of don’t like the site presenting it. Your attempting distraction from the facts.
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By Mark Tracey Your right, the stock market is NOT at record high, but even LOWER then when Obma was in office, unemployment is HIGHEST EVER, and getting worse, housing sales and values FALL TO UNPRECIDENTED LEVELS, and income levels ARE FALLING TO $0.
These are the headlines you WISH were true. I can play you game, but will not,, if the facts change then I’ll change.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - Obviously, you did not look at what I gave you as evidence to the contrary.

Sorry you are so fearful of the facts that you must shun anything which disagrees with your personal perspective.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - What was spam was your posting. You repeated the same thing at least 3 times in one message.

You gave one questionable source, and I gave a credible source. Why did you not look at what I gave you and do an a/b comparison to see how your "facts" hold up?
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By Mark Tracey During Obama’s first term there was progress to stop the bleeding from the housing crisis, but only managed to make those “to big to fail” corporation bigger and more profitable at the expense of small buiness. As you point out, over the eight years of his control there was improvement in the economy, but it was not robust, nor encompassing of all groups. It was not possible to achieve 3%+ GDP with the policy, regulation and demands placed on businesses. It was a game of Crony capitalism. Government granted certain major corporations beneficial regulation and policy initiatives while the less well connected and compliant suffered.
Regardless of your feelings on Trumps character and foreign policy positions, his initives relating to the economy have been winning the day. Corporate tax cuts to more closely match the tax rates of othe major nations created optimism spurring economic growth, resulting in more profits to tax, more jobs, higher incomes, increase housing values as more people can afford homes. Reducing restrictive regulations, and a partial reversal of the ACA will add more and lasting strength to the already growing economy.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - So, according to what you posted, you do not believe that the EPA and other agencies which protect the people of the U.S. are worth anything. OSHA is also something of which you "pooh-pooh" because they are what you call "restrictive regulations", right?

How is reversing the ACA good for the people, given that it will cost much more for health insurance, remove more than 13-million people from the insurance roles within 10 years, and take away healthcare for many?

I guess you are also for the ultra-rich to get tax breaks so they can send their new-found extra income, for lack of a better title, to off-shore accounts so they do not have to pay taxes on it, too, right? You KNOW that it has been shown time and time again that even the large corporations, when they have windfall profits because of lower operating expenses, invest abroad instead of keeping the money in the business, but the stockholders instead, right?

Mark, have you even looked at all of the information about how the economy of the US increased dramatically under Mr. Obama's "reign" and that Mr. 45 is only riding on the coat tails of that success? I suggest you do before posting anything more.
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By Larry W. Gray Well, when the ugly truth about the new Republican "tax cut" bill comes out, it will be fascinating to see you turn inside out trying to shop it around as a good bill. And it only adds $1.4 trillion dollars to the National Debt.
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By William Dykeman obama era policies created the environment for this upsurge
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By William Dykeman hey sweety.. happy new year.. sorry i was a b*&ch
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By Mark Tracey Ha, ha! You Larry’s b*&ch?
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By William Dykeman he hates me
so i make it worse
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By Mark Tracey Nothing like TOK to fan the flames!
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By William Dykeman good place to vent bile
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By Larry W. Gray I don't hate you.
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By William Dykeman thanks sweety i dont hate you either
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By Larry W. Gray No, Mark, You Are!
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By Larry W. Gray Now we can be friends again, ain't that nice?
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By William Dykeman politics make strange bedfellows lol
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By Larry W. Gray Ain't that the truth?
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By William Dykeman trump is getting closer to being removed and arrested, i love it
still a lot of hard work to go
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By William Dykeman god i hate trump so much
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By Larry W. Gray Me too, Buddy, and most other Americans too!
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By William Dykeman his base is starting to be chipped away
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By Larry W. Gray His "base" is 30% of voters. 70% despise him intensely. Just wait til the mid-terms less than a year from now.
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By William Dykeman the economy is doing really well and people still f*&^king hate his guts he has 35% approval 55% disapproval
most people hate the tax bill and suspect a lot of our good economy was based on stuff obama did..people are sick of his crazy obnoxious sh&^ and his treason