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Religious group kicked off campus for requiring leaders to be Christian. Fair?

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The InterVarsity Christian Fellowship required leaders to share their faith - school says that violates nondiscrimination code. Group is suing - who's right?
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By Mark Tracey This is designed to remove religion from the college. It was not a problem for 75 years, and I suspect they have had no complaints. Why would a non Christian even consider becoming a “leader” in a Christian organization? The court will likely rule that the organization has 75 years of precedence.
If the court rules against the organization, does that mean The Black Congressional Caucus “ won’t be able to meet In a government building?
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By Richard Gilbertson Religion world wide is in decline of numbers. People see Religion as being a problem not a solution. Religion finds things to object to others and finds things to oppress other for in beliefs. Religion is not even remotely tolerant of other beliefs.
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By Mark Tracey Yes, as do Leftists and Environmentalists .
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By Dan Anderson Mark - What is it you have against those who care about where they live?
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By Mark Tracey I have nothing against those who care!
I also care about where I live. It is radical environmentalists who are not tolerant of others, those who mimic the radical religious types you object to.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - How are they radical? What actions do you take which makes you think they are intolerant of anyone else?
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By Mark Tracey Read all about it,

https://www.zachbardon.com/compendium/out.php?t=academic/environs

https://www.treehugger.com/corporate-responsibility/top-5-eco-activism-events-of-the-past-decade.html
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By Peter Charette Congratulations, Richard, you've just described atheists.
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By Richard Gilbertson Yes and you can have any Religion you want of any flavor. Just do not try to shove it down my throat or try to rewrite history or Science to suit you belief system based on myths.
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By Mark Tracey Again, as do Leftists and Environmentalists.
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By Mark Tracey I would add that both Leftisum along with environmentalism both have all the qualities of a religion.
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By Richard Gilbertson I am not one of them and Science and Religion have proven not to get along. Religion uses myths and wives tales to make belief while Science has a long track record of making our lives better for the most part. Religion has a longer track record of war and murder in the name of god.
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By Mark Tracey Science sprang from religion in the search for ultimate truth. The core concepts of Christianity, when understood and followed has improved the lives immeasurably. The myths and stories are meerly the vehicle that carry the message. The esscence of Christianity can be gained by reading and understanding The Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7 and the Ten Comandments .
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By Richard Gilbertson Hmm no not true. Religion inserted itself into everything and was a major hurdle to science during the 300 years of the Dark Ages. That was not created by Science but Religion ignoring Science wanting to explain the Black Death. Religion got in the way often in history.
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By Dan Anderson Oh, here you go again, Mark, claiming that Christianity is the cornerstone of science. Not true. Even your Isaac Newton also believed in Alchemy. Yes, he claimed to be Christian, but are Alchemists classified as Christian?

So, why must people ONLY use the Ten Commandments, for example, as guidelines? Are you going to say that slavery is okay? It is promoted in the Bible, even giving instructions on how to both care for slaves and how to be a "good slave".

About your claim about Christianity being the background of good in the world, please explain that to Gallileo Gallilei. He was excommunicated from the church and banished PURELY for stating that the earth orbits the sun and not the sun orbiting the earth.
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By Mark Tracey “Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research. Starting in the Middle Ages, it paid for priests, monks and friars to study at the universities. The church even insisted that science and mathematics should be a compulsory part of the syllabus. And after some debate, it accepted that Greek and Arabic natural philosophy were essential tools for defending the faith. By the seventeenth century, the Jesuit order had become the leading scientific organisation in Europe, publishing thousands of papers and spreading new discoveries around the world. The cathedrals themselves were designed to double up as astronomical observatories to allow ever more accurate determination of the calendar. And of course, modern genetics was founded by a future abbot growing peas in the monastic garden.”

James Hannam, he has a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science from the University of Cambridge and is the author of The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution (published in the UK as God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science).
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By Mark Tracey Dan, Your words; “So, why must people ONLY use the Ten Commandments”, for example, as guidelines? Are you going to say that slavery is okay? “

You pretend to misunderstand my words. I know it’s intentional because your too intelligent to make the mistake of not interpreting my words clearly.
For others reading these were/are my words;
“The esscence of Christianity can be gained by reading and understanding The Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7 and the Ten Commandments”

Never did I state people must only use the the Ten Commandments or any part of them or any part of the Bible for that matter. It is a personal choice. My point was that the essence of the Christian religion can be gained, short of reading the entire Bible, by those passages. Slavery was the culture and law it that point in history, it was not created by the words of the Bible but addressed by Jesus. Would it not be proper to at least encourage slave owners of that time treat slaves more humanely?
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By Mark Tracey Read the book...
“Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research. Starting in the Middle Ages, it paid for priests, monks and friars to study at the universities. The church even insisted that science and mathematics should be a compulsory part of the syllabus. And after some debate, it accepted that Greek and Arabic natural philosophy were essential tools for defending the faith. By the seventeenth century, the Jesuit order had become the leading scientific organisation in Europe, publishing thousands of papers and spreading new discoveries around the world. The cathedrals themselves were designed to double up as astronomical observatories to allow ever more accurate determination of the calendar. And of course, modern genetics was founded by a future abbot growing peas in the monastic garden.”

James Hannam, he has a PhD in the History and Philosophy of Science from the University of Cambridge and is the author of The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution (published in the UK as God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science).
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By Dan Anderson Mark - Schools like Fuller Seminary in Los Angeles, one of the best theological schools in the US, CAN demand everyone be Christian. It is PUBLIC schools which cannot demand it.

The Black Congressional Caucus is not a religious organization. False argument.
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By Mark Tracey You advocate a racist group is ok because it is not religious?
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By Dan Anderson Mark - How is the Black Congressional Caucus a racist group?
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By Mark Tracey Whites are not allowed. “In 2006, while running for Congress in a Tennessee district which is 60% black, white candidate Steve Cohen pledged to apply for membership in order to represent his constituents. However, after his election, his application was refused.” - Wikipedia
Rejection based on race, if he had been black, he would be in.
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By Dan Anderson Mark - Look at the name. It is an issue of getting fair representation. It is not about racism.

I suppose if any private school limits their student populations to, for example, only those of Hawai'ian ancestry, you would be against that, too?
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By Mark Tracey Black Congressional Caucus ?
What In the name even hints that there is lack of Black representation?
You have to be elected as a REPRESENTITIVE to become a member. Sounds like selectively exclusionary to to me, and why is a racist organization even allowed to meet on government property?
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By Dan Anderson Mark - Again, why is it racist? After a couple of centuries where the "black population" had no say (even the US Constitution called a black person as 3/5ths of a person) FINALLY there is some representative. What is so horrible about that?

You have yet to address the issue of private schools limiting their populations of students to one particular group.

Remember, this is about religious groups in schools.
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By John Magee Dan, apparently you lack understanding of the key word of "private" in the term "private school". As a PRIVATE entity, they are fully entitled to limit the acceptance of applicants. A muslim school would not accept Christian students, a Jewish school would not accept muslim students, etc.

And to Mark's point, you are completely missing the point. If someone tried to create a group called the "White Congressional Caucus", the black population would scream racism because the group would only allow white members. So WHY is it so accepted for a "Black Congressional Caucus" which only allows black members? It is racism when you restrict your group based solely on the color of a person's skin, it doesn't matter if the group is white, black, Asian, etc, it is STILL RACISM.
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By William Dykeman nothing is private anymore so stop using that excuse
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By William Dykeman i would actually love to see that