- Joined: August 2016
I find it amazing that we can look at the same world and reach diametrically opposed conclusions on virtually every topic we've discussed. Trump is in, laws are being enforced, the Constitution is being "protected and defended" (like is says in every American oath of office) more people have jobs than in a decade and the stock market is up at record levels. And that's supposed to be bad. The NFL is at record lows in attendance, merchandise sales and TV viewership. Sponsors are abandoning them left and right (including their second largest already) and Congress has taken steps to pull the plug on the public funding of privately owned stadiums. There is even discussion of ending NFL tax exemptions and the anti trust exemption as well. Some estimates have the NFL at a billion dollars or more lost already since the protests started in 2016. All the while NFL revenue has been shrinking, their "sky high" expenses like player salaries have continued right along. And you think that's looking good. We'll see alright, meanwhile since you're so bullish on the NFL, maybe you should consider investing some of your own money. They could sure use it!
The kind of losses the NFL are experiencing are unsustainable. The NFL will eventually put an end to the protests on their time out of urgent necessity, but it will be too late by then. It's probably too late already! Many of the Americans that found other things to do on "game days" are tired of paying to be "microagressed" and won't be coming back even if the protests end. It's clear that the NFL doesn't even have an "end game". How do you see this situation in conclusion?
really Larry, you should try to get past the name calling.
It isn't even an argument, when you stoop to that kind of tactic, it is abandoning the argument and moving right to surrender! The NFL is headed straight down full throttle and they aren't even giving the appearance of pulling back on the stick! I'll wager you can't find one professional business adviser that thinks this course of action by the NFL makes good business sense! The NFL most certainly won't be around in 2024 when the Trumps leave Washington, unless they pull up and soon. Whatever they do will be too little and too late IMO. You'll know it's "over" when Budweiser drops their NFL advertising. They have already made preliminary steps in that direction. Wait for it!
Not even a nice try this time Larry, this has even less to do with me than it does with the President. Like I said, this was an issue in contention prior to the President's arrival on the political stage in 2016. I'm sure like all leftists you disagree with his position on the issue (and you have the right to do so) but it is completely disingenuous to try and make him (or me) responsible for any of it. My personal antagonism toward the "spoiled/entitled rich crybabies" (which I freely admit) aside, my position on this issue was and remains unchanged. The "protests" are ineffective at best, at worst they are counter productive. I think they have been leaning much more toward counter productive. Even you and I aren't discussing "oppressed Americans" we are discussing the disrespect. That is an epic example of how bad the protests are on their own merits from a marketing point of view. On the other side of that coin is the ongoing damage done to the NFL. All estimates have it in the hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. Others have the estimates at over a billion already, and still counting. NFL sponsors are jumping ship left and right Check into Cash and Papa John's Pizza and others have already gone and Budweiser is taking preparatory steps to distance themselves from the NFL. The handwriting is on the wall as they say. You and I agree that NFL players have a right to protest anything they want. Where we disagree is your contention that the 1A grants them the right to protest while at work. Even for sake of argument that the DO have the right to protest at work, doesn't make it a good idea! In quick recap, the protests aren't spreading "the message" or winning anyone over to their cause, but they are putting the NFL out of business. In my estimation these protests are the number one worst marketing failure of all time and no crystal ball is needed to see where this is going! The only thing that remains to be determined is exactly when the NFL will say, "enough" and tell their employees "no more politics while in NFL uniform"! Wait for it...
The discussion wasn't about Trump. Trump wasn't President when the protests began and wasn't even expected to be president, no point in trying to blame him for it. Try to stay on topic. To answer your question.
Americans have traditionally "protested" at work by not going to work. Cite any business that has survived it's uniformed employees employees offending and microagressing the customers? You won't because anyone other than the spoiled/entitled rich crybabies in the NFL would get immediately fired for it. Harassing the NFL customers has nothing to do with their 1A rights. If they called a press conference (as their celebrity status would enable them to do) it would indeed be a 1A activity. They have been getting away with the "protests" for one reason and one reason only. The NFL (their employer) has been letting them get away with it! Even though it is doing irreparable damage to the NFL and its "Brand". like I said before, common sense is more rare than moon rocks!
More name calling Larry, I thought we were past that. Even if it's not dis loyal, unpatriotic or illegal (which I haven't actually conceded), there is no question the NFL "protests" are bad business. From a marketing perspective they are a disaster. Anyone in marketing would tell you that you can't move a product (or an idea) by offending, alienating or microagressing your target audience. It is a microagression, even if that is not what they intend, and it is a microagression even if they don't even know they are microagressing. Though it would be pretty hard to get anyone to believe they don't "know" in light of freefalling NFL attendance, merchandise sales and TV Viewership. It seems like common sense, but common sense is more rare than moon rocks these days! And FYI my friend, the 1A does not grant anyone the right to "protest" at work, what it does is prevent the government from keeping you quiet! Most workers from "sea to shining sea" can't be political while at work (not even able to wear a HRC or MAGA hat) because most employers know that microagressing the customers is bad for business!
I'm going to make this as clear as I can one last time... ALL the various alternative energy sources combined provide just a tiny bit of our total consumption. ALL the energy sources you mentioned plus others you didn't mention combined, do not produce enough electricity to even keep up with the constantly increasing demand, let alone replace fossil fuels. 10x increase on next to nothing production, is still next to nothing! Don't misinterpret my pointing out the obvious problems I see. I very much want clean, safe, abundant, affordable energy just like everyone else. I am in favor of investing more money into green energy research (much more if they get results). But right now, Right Now...there is no technology or technology industry that is in position to replace fossil fuels on a global scale. I am with the group of Americans that wants to "keep the lights on" till something better becomes available! I hope very much that the energy source I described above becomes available before fossil fuels are depleted. We don't have many options to choose between!
He is not a Zebra, you are being silly. People can change not that working to represent the coal industry necessarily
made him a bad guy that needs to change. Your attempts to vilify him, and myself and the President are not helpful to the conversation and do NOT strengthen your argument.